Thank you, I believe our government has lost its authority as it rewards evil and punished good. The government in America is to serve the people in a constitutional Republic,it's to obey the constitution and it does neither most of the time. When politicians swear to uphold the constitution and don't they have lost its authority. They are to protect our God given inalienable fundamental natural rights. Just as a wife should not submit to her abusive mean husband we should not submit to an abusive corrupt evil government. Acts 5:29 We ought to obey God rather than men. Both parties do not care about American citizens I believe we need to trust in Jesus Christ who is faithful and true not man or government Jeremiah 17 5-7 Psalm 118:6-9 Psalm 33:12, our country is sinking because we have forgotten God. The other day at our church we had over 2,000 people for an event regarding defending and protecting innocent life-babies and voting. I don't believe our votes count at least at federal level,but I do believe in prayer, standing for life,truth, righteousness and supporting righteous causes like hands of hope to protect and help women and babies in crisis pregnancies. I asked Charlie Kirk why one side is extremely evil pushing murder on the innocent defenseless precious voiceless babies but the other side gets a pass for pushing evil and I was attacked with personal attacks for asking an honest question and I said as Christians we should not be guilted into supporting tolerating and voting for evil. The Bible says to hate evil,sin, darkness,murder and unrighteousness not tolerate it, support it or vote for it,it's mind boggling,yet so many people support this lesser of 2 evils perspective,it's not biblical and it's still evil and morally wrong From my biblical and moral understanding. I don't believe in the fake left right paradimn,I believe it's a lie and to divide by Satan and to get people to trust in man, government and politicians,rather than God,God is faithful and true Politicians Government are not. There is no hope in a donkey or elephant but in the Lord Jesus Christ TITUS 2 13 the Lion of Judah the Lord of Lords and King of Kings Revelation 19:16. He is the Way the Truth and the Life John 14 6 John 5 24 John 8 24 John 3:16 Acts 13:39 Acts 16:30-31 Romans 5 1 Romans 6 23 Romans 10:9-13 Ephesians 2:8-9 Titus 3:5. Blessings
According to the precepts set down in the Declaration of Independence…YES. I don’t give consent to be governed by psychopathic control freak PARASITES. Any more than I would give my consent to someone coming into my business saying that if I don’t pay them so much a month they would burn my business down. What REALLY is the difference. Don’t pay us your yearly rent on your home and we will send the Sheriff with guys with guns to kick you out. One is “ok” and the other isn’t? What is REALLY the difference?
I believe there are a few descent good politicians but not many, I believe majority of police and veterans are good people but there's always corrupt ones too,and tons of corruption throughout government but I still pray and respect the good ones,but my trust and Hope are in God not government,hope that helps ,God bless you.
I would say this about current governments and their allegiances to ngos like the United Nations and the World Economic Forum is that they do not follow Godly rules or tenants. Agenda 2030 is anti-human at its core. As much as Agenda 2030 claims to benefit people and the environment, it does neither. The vulnerable in society are sacrificed for the whims of the rich. The green agenda is essentially a wealth transfer of money from the middle and working class to the rich. It has little to no environmental for anyone. Plus, intentionally set fires and spraying chemical particles from planes are not climate change. Our governments set their people up for conflicts and wars, while the transfer of wealth and resources go to large companies and the rich. None of this is Godly, yet it happens on a regular basis.
I am afraid the church has been infected with Marxist ideology for decades. They take and twist the Bible’s teachings into their own narrative. You are 100% correct. And no one likes my views on the Bible. Like you I stick with the truth.
The verb "to ordain" comes from the French "ordener" meaning to order. So, God orders good government, the operative word here being "Good". As God is not Jean Luc Picard, saying "Make it so" does not necessarily do so. I have yet to experience good governance and I think most of the world today would agree.
I believe the only good government will be one that exists under anarchy. And we won't have to worry about the predators as their are ALWAYS sheepdogs willing to protect the flock.
For those interested in further exploration of the silliness -- and dangerousness -- of lazy and blind adherence to Romans 13, I offer Pastor Dan Fisher's book, "Unlimited Submission? How Romans 13:1-5 Has Been Incorrectly Used to Silence Christians and the Church."
For me, going into detailed analysis was unnecessary. Just knowing Jesus and His life -- and that of other Biblical characters, including His apostles -- makes plain that blind obedience just because it's "government" is the absolute road to ruin.
Thank you again, CL. May just have to print this out...
I was reminded of how many times I've heard and seen someone use “Judge not, that you be not judged" (Matthew 7:1) as a way to excuse bad behavior and various abominations, and as an attempt to prevent others from righteously calling it out. I've grown tired of having to put that statement in its proper context for the non-thinkers.
One of our biggest problems is that the majority of people (also known as "the mASSES") do no thinking beyond the level of "Does this tie go with this jacket?" or "Does this purse go with these shoes?" So many of our societal issues could be quickly resolved if only the mASSES weren't so content to remain intellectually lazy and consequently ignorant!
#AIFLtd, Non-Political Forensic Investigation into Voting Integrity at U.K. General Election held on 7 May 2015 and Since, the Electoral Commission Corrupted Its Own Voting Count Model which Allows Ghost Votes to be Added on an Industrial Scale, which is NOT Compliant with Electoral Laws nor is it Compliant with the Electoral Commission Own Voting " Count Model for Counting Officers " which the Electoral Commission produced in 2010 to Regulate Elections and used up until November 2014 / December 2014 , the Electoral Commission by Corrupting Its Own Voting Count Model has caused a Constitutional Crisis, causing the House of Commons to become an Unelected House, which has been happening across many Countries in the Western Part of the World. Stealing Your Vote = Stealing Your Fundamental Freedoms = Enslavement. Thou Shalt not Steal is One of God's Ten Commandments and Stealing is a Criminal Offence. Thou Shalt not Kill is One of God's Ten Commandments and Murder is a Criminal Offence. Thou Shalt not Bear False Witness is One of God's Ten Commandments and Fraud is a Criminal Offence. How to Check Disclosure of Vote Rigging on an Industrial Scale. www.Sleazeexpo.wordpress.com
When are the people going to have a PURGE of the psychopathic control freak PARASITES running the world? When are we going light our torches, sharpen our pitchforks and storm the proverbial Bastille? I hope before I did of old age because I want in on some of the FUN ridding the world of these pieces of human or is it reptilian? scum.
We are in the midst of Good v Evil, there are so many people throughout the World with knowledge, experience and skills, working for the Love of Humanity and Life Itself, many problems are being solved, many cures are being found, should all parties be involved in running elections, or should it be up to the Electoral Commissioners who decides who counts your Vote, when elections are carried out correctly, then the people will have their VOTE ? We are Awakening, a flick of a switch Light Workers, Let there be Light. God is watching and guiding us through these difficult times. God Bless all the Light Workers who are Exposing the Truth.
Would you bow before Paul and kiss his ring? John Locke rejected the divine rights of kings doctrine Paul espoused in Romans 13. Enlightenment philosophy rejected text dogma & instead used the light of reason.
I think Paul is a false apostlecspewing Roman Empire propaganda for Caesar in Romans 13.
Attached certain point Christians grow up and realize they don't need to figure out Romans 13. B we'd cause Paul's claim to hear from God to deliver what he hears to everyoned else is false.
He's notcouf superior. We can all hear from God ourselves. Paul's divine rights of kings dogma is Roman Empire state church propaganda. Not the Word of God.
How Locke and you get the “divine rights of kings” doctrine out of Romans 13 is beyond me. But I’m not surprised. Many others view it the way I’m trying to explain is wrong. As for Paul? Want to know where I’m actually coming from? http://desism.com
Link didn't work. It is a feat of imagination how men lift a manuscript high saying, "This is the Word of God!" ~ then twist it to mean as they wish. It's not the Word of God. Paul is a pope for Caesar. It's Roman Empire religious propaganda.
What bothers me the most is that so many “Christians” place more emphasis on Pauls writings than they do on Jesus’ words. It makes for confusion that shouldn’t exist. What is your solution? Walking away from the whole church system was mine for a long time, but then I realized that the PEOPLE are the ones that I minister to, not the so called leadership. And the responses from those that I minister to, give me the push to keep on going. This is the ministry my Father has given to me…https://bornagainclassics.com/MarkReynolds-MP3s/YoursAlone/9-Since_I_Met_Him-MarkReynolds.mp3
Jesus was a jew. Jews are demons. Jesus never died on the cross. If you did any research at all, you would know this. Jesus lived to be 85 years old and his bones are interred beneath the Vatican today. Jesus is the reason we're still here, at the very tail end of the tribulation. "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. " "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and it is the glory of kings to search out a matter." All churches have been taken over by freemasons. Jesus studied at freemason schools in India, Egypt, Africa and Glastonbury. Judas knew this and knew that Jesus was a charlatan.
There are two (2) sins Jesus Christ (Yeshua Messiah) will not forgive: (1) Denial (blasphemy) against the Holy Spirit. [Matthew 12:31] and; (2) Receiving the MARK OF THE BEAST. [Revelation 14:9]
Therefore if Romans 13 is valid, when today's believers are faced with obeying the NWO government and receiving the soon coming MARK OF THE BEAST, Romans 13 supersedes Jesus' forbidding receiving His followers to take the MARK and worship the BEAST.
Which is it, Romans 13 or Revelation 14; 9-11?
Revelation 14:9–11
"And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”
Agreed, but if folks deal with it in ignorance, Yahweh isn't going to zap you for it. And so much of what is written about this conflicts from one place to another. My GOD is a God of UNCONDITIONAL love. No matter how you cut it. He either IS or isn't. So any convoluted interpretations that folks come up with don't fit my understanding of WHO HE/SHE/Whatever IS!
Thank you Frank Jones for your comment: "Your drivers license, social security card and your birth certificate are all marks of the beast."
As I see it, your drivers license, social security card and your birth certificate are all marks of the "beast system". However, the "beast" is an actual man, (in flesh), who is described by the prophet Daniel as the "little horn". In one of his visions, the prophet Daniel sees a “little horn” that grows out of a terrible beast (Daniel 7:8). The emergence of the little horn, its unusual form, and its behavior cause Daniel to wonder greatly. Fortunately for us, Daniel's vision is explained:
The prophet sees four beasts (Daniel 7:1–7) representing four kingdoms (verse 17). The first three beasts represent Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece.
The fourth and final beast that Daniel sees is the most dreadful—“terrifying and frightening and very powerful” (Daniel 7:7). This fourth beast has “bronze claws” (verse 19) and “large iron teeth” with which it annihilates its prey (verse 7). Daniel sees that the terrible beast has ten horns. As Daniel ponders the meaning of the horns, a little horn begins to grow from the midst of the ten. This little horn is quite unusual. As it emerges, three of the original horns are plucked out by the roots. Daniel sees that the little horn has “eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully” (Daniel 7:8). The proud, boastful words of the little horn continue until the day of judgment (verses 9–10). At that time, “the beast was slain and its body . . . thrown into the blazing fire” (verse 11). That is the end of the little horn.
Daniel is troubled by the vision of the beast and the little horn, and he asks specifically about it (Daniel 7:19). An angel explains: the beast’s ten horns are ten kings who will arise from that kingdom (verse 24). A horn in the Bible is often a symbol of strength and authority (see Psalm 89:24 and 132:17). The little, boastful horn with a human mouth and eyes represents a specific king; at his rise to power, three of the original kings will fall. This evil king pictured as the little horn “will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people” (Daniel 7:25). He will seek to change times and laws, and he will exert oppressive power over God’s people for three and a half years (verse 25).
The little horn that Daniel saw is a world leader especially noted for his blasphemies and the scope of his power. Because this little horn is ruling at the time Judgment Day comes, we identify it as the Antichrist, the “ruler who will come” who sets up the abomination in Daniel 9:27. The mention of three and a half years corresponds with the duration of the Antichrist’s rule in Revelation 11:2; 12:14; and 13:5.
The little horn emerges from the fourth beast, a fact that suggests that, in the end times, there will be a “revival” of the old Roman Empire into a global government, (think ten NAFTAs). This restoration, whatever form it takes, will feature a coalition of ten world leaders. The Antichrist will make his move to the top at the expense of three of those leaders, and he will eventually wield global authority. A true tyrant, the Antichrist will seek to control every aspect of life (see Revelation 13:16–17). He will even demand to be worshiped (verse 15).
The little horn of Daniel 7 is the same as the first beast of Revelation 13. The beast in Revelation also has ten horns. And, like the little horn of Daniel’s fourth beast, John’s beast “was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies. . . . It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name” (Revelation 13:5–6). Furthermore the little horn is revealed by the Apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 as the "man of sin" and "son of perdition" who "sits as God in the temple of God".
In summary, the little horn that Daniel sees is the Antichrist, a world leader who rises to power from within a league of ten future kings. This little horn will blaspheme God and persecute God’s people during the tribulation, right up until the second coming of the Lord Jesus. At that time, the Antichrist’s “power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever” (Daniel 7:26), and Jesus will establish His millennial kingdom. The reign of the Antichrist is limited: forty-two months, and no more (Revelation 13:5). The little horn will lose his war against God. His boastful blasphemy and wanton violence are only temporary. The reign of Christ is eternal.
To God’s holy people, the faithful brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ: May grace and peace be unto you from God our Father:
The Fall of Babylon the Great:
“After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory. And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, ‘Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird! For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury.’
And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her.”
But didn’t Jesus know the scriptures? What does it say about the Gold and Silver? So what made those who listened act in awe was because what he was saying is GIVE THE GOLD AND SILVER TO THE LORD…and give Caesar his picture. See how different verse can be interpreted differently with an understanding that isn’t common? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Haggai%202:8-10&version=KJV
What Christ said is more important than what everybody else said put together. He is the Son of God, and He is God. He came with a New Testament and a New Covenant. By “new” is meant that it changes the old scriptures in the Old Testament.
Christ is the Anointed One. He is the Messiah. He is one of the Trinity. He is the Way. No one else is. What he says goes.
Believe what you want, argue with Christ if you want, but I believe Him. He IS the word, first and last, alpha and omega.
“Good” government is ordained by God? So, in essence you are saying by definition: “Good” mind controllers are ordained by God. Seems like you’re still trying to put a square peg in a round hole. 🙂
After decades of considering various views of what the meaning and application of Rom 13:1,2 I have conclude this passage, and the corresponding one in 1 Peter 2, were simply duplicitously inserted during the 300 plus years of the early church councils recognizing which letters were God-breathed. That entire process was so lengthy, sloppy, and full of holes that insertions by cunning men wanting to control people would have been very easy.
Don’t put words in my mouth. Apparently you didn’t read the complete post or make any effort to understand the ideas being explained. So NO I’m not saying in essence or in any way shape or form that “Good” mind controllers are ordained by God. Oh, and anyone who lets anyone control their minds is at fault. How can it be the "mind controllers" fault? Being ignorant is dangerous.
My apologies for not being more clear and concise. I’m nitpicking of course, but all words have definitions, and it matters which words we use to describe our views.
Since the meaning of government is govern (control) ment (the mind), your declaratory statement (in the seven truths) of “good government is ordained of God” is contradictory at best. So mind control is good and ordained of God? I don’t think so. Better to interpret exousia always as authority, imo. Does that help?
I agree with many of your ideas presented here, just have suspect opinions about the legitimacy of those passages esp when they have led to the slaughter of so many people. God is not the author of confusion, and could’ve easily given updates and corrections along the way when people and ruling authorities misused this passage.
Nit picking is a good phrase for what you are doing. How many people on the planet would even come close to what you just came up with? Sorry, but I’m not into deep dives to the root of word meanings. Where to you get that government means to control the mind? The original Greek? Sanscript? Talk about nit picking, you aren’t kidding.
Prob was on my mind due to recently having similar conversation with a friend of mine regarding the negative etymology of the word anarchy. Governments do their job best in controlling the masses via controlling the definition of words.
Of course they make sure the common usage of anarchy has negative connotations of chaos/out of control. My friend’s 1828 Noah Webster dictionary definition was no different.
“ “Anytime the state actors decide to control language in their favor, they are intending to steer mass opinion, and contradiction, hypocrisy, and control are the prevailing result. This has never been more apparent than with the term Anarchy, which is the absolute antithesis of state tyranny.
Anarchy simply means without rule or without rulers; in other words, people working, living, trading, communicating, traveling, and surviving peacefully without government masters and government rule. This is the only state of being that can bring about absolute freedom of the individual. The completely bastardized and fraudulent meaning that has been effectively changed, promoted, and propagandized by the state, its institutions, its dictionaries, and its media today concerning the word “anarchy,’ has had the effect thorough indoctrination and brainwashing, of appearing to the lowly ‘public’ as the exact opposite of its true meaning. This purposely induced mindset was planned and done for specific reasons, as honest and legitimate anarchists, are the enemy of state power, and therefore considered dangerous; not to the people, but to those wishing to manipulate and control the people. These are the ruling class, their politicians, their enforcers, and all government in general. These are the true and evil enemies of humanity and freedom.” Gary Barnett
Of course, the state educated Phd (piled high deep sh!t) will adamantly deny “ment”, “mentis”, “mental” suffixes to govern have nothing to do with the mind.
Clear? Like mud. I just looked up on Miriam Webster the commonly understood meanings of "government" and there is NO mention of it meaning to control the mind. Where did you come up with this claim from?
Even the entomology doesn't come close to what you are claiming. And since we live in 2024 and not 2000 BC, I'd have to say, that the COMMONLY understood definition will have to suffice. So nit pick away. What is your suggestion? Mankind is a social being and some sort of "government" will most always be around. We can't have maniacs running around raping old ladies with no recourse. What would you use for recourse? What if there was a group of old ladies somewhere that didn't like someone so they all got together and claimed so and so raped them? How far down this rabbit hole do you want to go? Nit picking isn't the phrase to use. One other thing..."exousia". How would you use that word in today's modern English? Exousia is an Ancient Greek word used in the New Testament to express various kinds of authority, such as Jesus' power to forgive sins, I guess I missed it. What is the chapter and verse? I read ENGLISH not Greek.
35- For I am set a man at variance against his father, and daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. I've been privy to this in my very own family. My father and mother were dead set against my view of "government". One of my son's has "cancelled" me because his live in cougar has him convinced that I'm evil because of my view of "government". She had the audacity to claim I was being selfish by refusing to take the vaccine and wear a mask and yet she wouldn't spend five minutes of her time researching WHY I refused to do either of those. I've been to many a church that rejected my actual BIBLICAL view of government rather than accept their convoluted view of kiss the government agents ass. As for Peace on Earth? I guess we will have it when the psychopaths are no longer the "leaders" and "rulers" of the people.
One thing that cracks me up about typical Churchianity people is their wait for Jesus. I see it way differently. I read HIS word, they become part of ME making me a disciple of HIM. It's THE WORD made flesh. We are the embodiment of his "return". Does that mean we are prefect? Hell no, the flesh I was born with is at constant war with the spirit that the word has impregnated me with. I can't hardly discuss it with my wife due to my human failings. Many that I've talked to just don't get it!
This song written by Don Francisco explains it in a very interesting way. My spirit witnesses to this song. I met Don once and asked him where he came up with the lyrics...His answer was...I HAD A VISION. I want to share this with you Toby. My youngest grandson has been blessed with that "nickname." He is Tobias Ryder Reynolds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPHEXuPFPio
Thank you, I believe our government has lost its authority as it rewards evil and punished good. The government in America is to serve the people in a constitutional Republic,it's to obey the constitution and it does neither most of the time. When politicians swear to uphold the constitution and don't they have lost its authority. They are to protect our God given inalienable fundamental natural rights. Just as a wife should not submit to her abusive mean husband we should not submit to an abusive corrupt evil government. Acts 5:29 We ought to obey God rather than men. Both parties do not care about American citizens I believe we need to trust in Jesus Christ who is faithful and true not man or government Jeremiah 17 5-7 Psalm 118:6-9 Psalm 33:12, our country is sinking because we have forgotten God. The other day at our church we had over 2,000 people for an event regarding defending and protecting innocent life-babies and voting. I don't believe our votes count at least at federal level,but I do believe in prayer, standing for life,truth, righteousness and supporting righteous causes like hands of hope to protect and help women and babies in crisis pregnancies. I asked Charlie Kirk why one side is extremely evil pushing murder on the innocent defenseless precious voiceless babies but the other side gets a pass for pushing evil and I was attacked with personal attacks for asking an honest question and I said as Christians we should not be guilted into supporting tolerating and voting for evil. The Bible says to hate evil,sin, darkness,murder and unrighteousness not tolerate it, support it or vote for it,it's mind boggling,yet so many people support this lesser of 2 evils perspective,it's not biblical and it's still evil and morally wrong From my biblical and moral understanding. I don't believe in the fake left right paradimn,I believe it's a lie and to divide by Satan and to get people to trust in man, government and politicians,rather than God,God is faithful and true Politicians Government are not. There is no hope in a donkey or elephant but in the Lord Jesus Christ TITUS 2 13 the Lion of Judah the Lord of Lords and King of Kings Revelation 19:16. He is the Way the Truth and the Life John 14 6 John 5 24 John 8 24 John 3:16 Acts 13:39 Acts 16:30-31 Romans 5 1 Romans 6 23 Romans 10:9-13 Ephesians 2:8-9 Titus 3:5. Blessings
You are totally correct.
"I believe our government has lost its authority as it rewards evil and punished good."
I agree. And should it also then lose our allegiance?
According to the precepts set down in the Declaration of Independence…YES. I don’t give consent to be governed by psychopathic control freak PARASITES. Any more than I would give my consent to someone coming into my business saying that if I don’t pay them so much a month they would burn my business down. What REALLY is the difference. Don’t pay us your yearly rent on your home and we will send the Sheriff with guys with guns to kick you out. One is “ok” and the other isn’t? What is REALLY the difference?
I believe there are a few descent good politicians but not many, I believe majority of police and veterans are good people but there's always corrupt ones too,and tons of corruption throughout government but I still pray and respect the good ones,but my trust and Hope are in God not government,hope that helps ,God bless you.
I would say this about current governments and their allegiances to ngos like the United Nations and the World Economic Forum is that they do not follow Godly rules or tenants. Agenda 2030 is anti-human at its core. As much as Agenda 2030 claims to benefit people and the environment, it does neither. The vulnerable in society are sacrificed for the whims of the rich. The green agenda is essentially a wealth transfer of money from the middle and working class to the rich. It has little to no environmental for anyone. Plus, intentionally set fires and spraying chemical particles from planes are not climate change. Our governments set their people up for conflicts and wars, while the transfer of wealth and resources go to large companies and the rich. None of this is Godly, yet it happens on a regular basis.
EXACTLY!
I am afraid the church has been infected with Marxist ideology for decades. They take and twist the Bible’s teachings into their own narrative. You are 100% correct. And no one likes my views on the Bible. Like you I stick with the truth.
I wonder if your views on the bible are similar to mine. Drop me a PM.
It is my humble opinion Romans 13 was not Pauline in origin. The Bible has been tampered with by evil men seeking power and gold and lands.
The verb "to ordain" comes from the French "ordener" meaning to order. So, God orders good government, the operative word here being "Good". As God is not Jean Luc Picard, saying "Make it so" does not necessarily do so. I have yet to experience good governance and I think most of the world today would agree.
I believe the only good government will be one that exists under anarchy. And we won't have to worry about the predators as their are ALWAYS sheepdogs willing to protect the flock.
Oh, this is stupendous, CL! Thank you!
For those interested in further exploration of the silliness -- and dangerousness -- of lazy and blind adherence to Romans 13, I offer Pastor Dan Fisher's book, "Unlimited Submission? How Romans 13:1-5 Has Been Incorrectly Used to Silence Christians and the Church."
For me, going into detailed analysis was unnecessary. Just knowing Jesus and His life -- and that of other Biblical characters, including His apostles -- makes plain that blind obedience just because it's "government" is the absolute road to ruin.
Thank you again, CL. May just have to print this out...
This was an EXCELLENT article, C.L.!
I was reminded of how many times I've heard and seen someone use “Judge not, that you be not judged" (Matthew 7:1) as a way to excuse bad behavior and various abominations, and as an attempt to prevent others from righteously calling it out. I've grown tired of having to put that statement in its proper context for the non-thinkers.
One of our biggest problems is that the majority of people (also known as "the mASSES") do no thinking beyond the level of "Does this tie go with this jacket?" or "Does this purse go with these shoes?" So many of our societal issues could be quickly resolved if only the mASSES weren't so content to remain intellectually lazy and consequently ignorant!
~ D-FensDogG
I whole heartedly agree. It is an outcrop of the public indoctrination centers.
John Calvin’s doctrine of the “lesser magistrate” is helpful here
#AIFLtd, Non-Political Forensic Investigation into Voting Integrity at U.K. General Election held on 7 May 2015 and Since, the Electoral Commission Corrupted Its Own Voting Count Model which Allows Ghost Votes to be Added on an Industrial Scale, which is NOT Compliant with Electoral Laws nor is it Compliant with the Electoral Commission Own Voting " Count Model for Counting Officers " which the Electoral Commission produced in 2010 to Regulate Elections and used up until November 2014 / December 2014 , the Electoral Commission by Corrupting Its Own Voting Count Model has caused a Constitutional Crisis, causing the House of Commons to become an Unelected House, which has been happening across many Countries in the Western Part of the World. Stealing Your Vote = Stealing Your Fundamental Freedoms = Enslavement. Thou Shalt not Steal is One of God's Ten Commandments and Stealing is a Criminal Offence. Thou Shalt not Kill is One of God's Ten Commandments and Murder is a Criminal Offence. Thou Shalt not Bear False Witness is One of God's Ten Commandments and Fraud is a Criminal Offence. How to Check Disclosure of Vote Rigging on an Industrial Scale. www.Sleazeexpo.wordpress.com
When are the people going to have a PURGE of the psychopathic control freak PARASITES running the world? When are we going light our torches, sharpen our pitchforks and storm the proverbial Bastille? I hope before I did of old age because I want in on some of the FUN ridding the world of these pieces of human or is it reptilian? scum.
We are in the midst of Good v Evil, there are so many people throughout the World with knowledge, experience and skills, working for the Love of Humanity and Life Itself, many problems are being solved, many cures are being found, should all parties be involved in running elections, or should it be up to the Electoral Commissioners who decides who counts your Vote, when elections are carried out correctly, then the people will have their VOTE ? We are Awakening, a flick of a switch Light Workers, Let there be Light. God is watching and guiding us through these difficult times. God Bless all the Light Workers who are Exposing the Truth.
Thank you for writing about this I've never understood why Christians thought we were not supposed to defend ourselves.
Would you bow before Paul and kiss his ring? John Locke rejected the divine rights of kings doctrine Paul espoused in Romans 13. Enlightenment philosophy rejected text dogma & instead used the light of reason.
I think Paul is a false apostlecspewing Roman Empire propaganda for Caesar in Romans 13.
Attached certain point Christians grow up and realize they don't need to figure out Romans 13. B we'd cause Paul's claim to hear from God to deliver what he hears to everyoned else is false.
He's notcouf superior. We can all hear from God ourselves. Paul's divine rights of kings dogma is Roman Empire state church propaganda. Not the Word of God.
How Locke and you get the “divine rights of kings” doctrine out of Romans 13 is beyond me. But I’m not surprised. Many others view it the way I’m trying to explain is wrong. As for Paul? Want to know where I’m actually coming from? http://desism.com
Link didn't work. It is a feat of imagination how men lift a manuscript high saying, "This is the Word of God!" ~ then twist it to mean as they wish. It's not the Word of God. Paul is a pope for Caesar. It's Roman Empire religious propaganda.
Romans. Written by the Romans. None of that came from God. All roads lead to Rome.
I may be mistaken, but from my study, Paul was writing TO the Romans.
Paul was educated by the jews/ demons. And was a Roman citizen.
What bothers me the most is that so many “Christians” place more emphasis on Pauls writings than they do on Jesus’ words. It makes for confusion that shouldn’t exist. What is your solution? Walking away from the whole church system was mine for a long time, but then I realized that the PEOPLE are the ones that I minister to, not the so called leadership. And the responses from those that I minister to, give me the push to keep on going. This is the ministry my Father has given to me…https://bornagainclassics.com/MarkReynolds-MP3s/YoursAlone/9-Since_I_Met_Him-MarkReynolds.mp3
Jesus was a jew. Jews are demons. Jesus never died on the cross. If you did any research at all, you would know this. Jesus lived to be 85 years old and his bones are interred beneath the Vatican today. Jesus is the reason we're still here, at the very tail end of the tribulation. "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. " "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and it is the glory of kings to search out a matter." All churches have been taken over by freemasons. Jesus studied at freemason schools in India, Egypt, Africa and Glastonbury. Judas knew this and knew that Jesus was a charlatan.
Get wise to Romans 13 with my book reading and commentary.
https://soberchristiangentlemanpodcast.substack.com/p/doctrine-of-the-lesser-magistrates
There are two (2) sins Jesus Christ (Yeshua Messiah) will not forgive: (1) Denial (blasphemy) against the Holy Spirit. [Matthew 12:31] and; (2) Receiving the MARK OF THE BEAST. [Revelation 14:9]
Therefore if Romans 13 is valid, when today's believers are faced with obeying the NWO government and receiving the soon coming MARK OF THE BEAST, Romans 13 supersedes Jesus' forbidding receiving His followers to take the MARK and worship the BEAST.
Which is it, Romans 13 or Revelation 14; 9-11?
Revelation 14:9–11
"And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”
Government is the beast. Your drivers license, social security card and your birth certificate are all marks of the beast.
Agreed, but if folks deal with it in ignorance, Yahweh isn't going to zap you for it. And so much of what is written about this conflicts from one place to another. My GOD is a God of UNCONDITIONAL love. No matter how you cut it. He either IS or isn't. So any convoluted interpretations that folks come up with don't fit my understanding of WHO HE/SHE/Whatever IS!
Thank you Frank Jones for your comment: "Your drivers license, social security card and your birth certificate are all marks of the beast."
As I see it, your drivers license, social security card and your birth certificate are all marks of the "beast system". However, the "beast" is an actual man, (in flesh), who is described by the prophet Daniel as the "little horn". In one of his visions, the prophet Daniel sees a “little horn” that grows out of a terrible beast (Daniel 7:8). The emergence of the little horn, its unusual form, and its behavior cause Daniel to wonder greatly. Fortunately for us, Daniel's vision is explained:
The prophet sees four beasts (Daniel 7:1–7) representing four kingdoms (verse 17). The first three beasts represent Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece.
The fourth and final beast that Daniel sees is the most dreadful—“terrifying and frightening and very powerful” (Daniel 7:7). This fourth beast has “bronze claws” (verse 19) and “large iron teeth” with which it annihilates its prey (verse 7). Daniel sees that the terrible beast has ten horns. As Daniel ponders the meaning of the horns, a little horn begins to grow from the midst of the ten. This little horn is quite unusual. As it emerges, three of the original horns are plucked out by the roots. Daniel sees that the little horn has “eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully” (Daniel 7:8). The proud, boastful words of the little horn continue until the day of judgment (verses 9–10). At that time, “the beast was slain and its body . . . thrown into the blazing fire” (verse 11). That is the end of the little horn.
Daniel is troubled by the vision of the beast and the little horn, and he asks specifically about it (Daniel 7:19). An angel explains: the beast’s ten horns are ten kings who will arise from that kingdom (verse 24). A horn in the Bible is often a symbol of strength and authority (see Psalm 89:24 and 132:17). The little, boastful horn with a human mouth and eyes represents a specific king; at his rise to power, three of the original kings will fall. This evil king pictured as the little horn “will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people” (Daniel 7:25). He will seek to change times and laws, and he will exert oppressive power over God’s people for three and a half years (verse 25).
The little horn that Daniel saw is a world leader especially noted for his blasphemies and the scope of his power. Because this little horn is ruling at the time Judgment Day comes, we identify it as the Antichrist, the “ruler who will come” who sets up the abomination in Daniel 9:27. The mention of three and a half years corresponds with the duration of the Antichrist’s rule in Revelation 11:2; 12:14; and 13:5.
The little horn emerges from the fourth beast, a fact that suggests that, in the end times, there will be a “revival” of the old Roman Empire into a global government, (think ten NAFTAs). This restoration, whatever form it takes, will feature a coalition of ten world leaders. The Antichrist will make his move to the top at the expense of three of those leaders, and he will eventually wield global authority. A true tyrant, the Antichrist will seek to control every aspect of life (see Revelation 13:16–17). He will even demand to be worshiped (verse 15).
The little horn of Daniel 7 is the same as the first beast of Revelation 13. The beast in Revelation also has ten horns. And, like the little horn of Daniel’s fourth beast, John’s beast “was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies. . . . It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name” (Revelation 13:5–6). Furthermore the little horn is revealed by the Apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 as the "man of sin" and "son of perdition" who "sits as God in the temple of God".
In summary, the little horn that Daniel sees is the Antichrist, a world leader who rises to power from within a league of ten future kings. This little horn will blaspheme God and persecute God’s people during the tribulation, right up until the second coming of the Lord Jesus. At that time, the Antichrist’s “power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever” (Daniel 7:26), and Jesus will establish His millennial kingdom. The reign of the Antichrist is limited: forty-two months, and no more (Revelation 13:5). The little horn will lose his war against God. His boastful blasphemy and wanton violence are only temporary. The reign of Christ is eternal.
To God’s holy people, the faithful brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ: May grace and peace be unto you from God our Father:
The Fall of Babylon the Great:
“After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory. And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, ‘Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird! For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury.’
And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her.”
[Revelation 18:4-8]
Do you believe in modern day prophets?
The vision came unbidden
At an unexpected pass
Where the winds of change blew colder
Whippin’ snow that cut like glass
But like an old man in regret
For foolish sins and wasted youth
The scene that lay before me
Had no beauty save its truth
For the wind came down the mountains
Never slowing, never still
And the sheep were scattered shepherdless
Alone across the hills
They were prey to every beast that roamed
And entrapped by every curse
And they stumbled in their sickness
In their weakness and their thirst
Below them in the valley
The polluted waters flowed
Where the shepherds that were hirelings
Sat and argued what was owed
And the ambitious and abusive bragged
And they boasted on their might
And their profits from the slaughter
Of the ones who could not fight
And the wind just kept on howling
As I cried, “Oh, Lord, how long
Will your people be the victims
Of the ruthless, proud and strong?”
And at once there came an answer
In the quiet of my soul
“The time has come for judgement
And to make the wounded whole”
“For My heart is still a shepherd’s heart
I know each one by name
The ragged and the beautiful
The healthy and the lame
And I myself will lead them out
And I’ll feed them on the best
In pastures by still waters
In a place of peace and rest
O, but woe unto the shepherds
Who abuse My sheep and kill
With harshness and severity
You’ve bent them to your will
And today I am against you
As I take them from your hand
When the fire of judgement comes
The stubble will not stand!”
Then darkness filled the valley
And I saw it take up form
Screaming winds and fire and lightning
More than any earthly storm
Where it passed were no survivors
For the land was cleansed and bare
But the streams flowed clear and purified
And the grass grew green and fair
I saw a man come walking
His heart glowed like a flame
All the sheep began to run to Him
As He called each one by name
He spoke to them in gentle words
And He soothed their fearful minds
And He healed the brokenhearted
And the crippled, sick and blind
Then many others like Him
All with hearts that glowed the same
That before I hadn’t noticed
From the farms and fields they came
They weren’t famous wise or noble
But they spoke a common word
A word the flock could recognize
And follow when they heard
They led them in green pastures
By still waters in the light
Standing guard against the wolves
And other creatures of the night
Going out into the mountains
In the darkness and the cold
Bringing back the lost and wounded
To the safety of the fold
And the news went out around the world
In every street and town
That something wonderful was here
That heaven had come down
And millions gave their hearts in trust
That long had been betrayed
And the bride at last was ready
And the trumpet call was made
And the news went out around the world
In every street and town
That something wonderful was here
That heaven had come down
And millions gave their hearts in trust
That long had been betrayed
And the bride at last was ready
And the trumpet call was made
I asked Don at one of his gatherings…”Where did you get the words to this song?” To which he replied…”In a vision.” IN 1991!!! You tell me…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPHEXuPFPio
I don't place my whole belief system on a dream that every other denomination interprets in 10,000 different ways Carl.
Please expound on: "I don't place my whole belief system on a dream that every other denomination interprets in 10,000 different ways Carl."
No. I refuse to get into divisive theological debates. What I "believe" is between my Father Yahweh and me.
Is it wrong to make a preference? I prefer the words of Christ to those of Paul. Jesues said: Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.
Jesus was holding a coin. I think he meant something like: Yes, pay your taxes. But don't become the servant of evil.
But didn’t Jesus know the scriptures? What does it say about the Gold and Silver? So what made those who listened act in awe was because what he was saying is GIVE THE GOLD AND SILVER TO THE LORD…and give Caesar his picture. See how different verse can be interpreted differently with an understanding that isn’t common? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Haggai%202:8-10&version=KJV
"But didn’t Jesus know the scriptures?"
Jesus' words ARE the scriptures.
What Christ said is more important than what everybody else said put together. He is the Son of God, and He is God. He came with a New Testament and a New Covenant. By “new” is meant that it changes the old scriptures in the Old Testament.
Christ is the Anointed One. He is the Messiah. He is one of the Trinity. He is the Way. No one else is. What he says goes.
Believe what you want, argue with Christ if you want, but I believe Him. He IS the word, first and last, alpha and omega.
“Good” government is ordained by God? So, in essence you are saying by definition: “Good” mind controllers are ordained by God. Seems like you’re still trying to put a square peg in a round hole. 🙂
After decades of considering various views of what the meaning and application of Rom 13:1,2 I have conclude this passage, and the corresponding one in 1 Peter 2, were simply duplicitously inserted during the 300 plus years of the early church councils recognizing which letters were God-breathed. That entire process was so lengthy, sloppy, and full of holes that insertions by cunning men wanting to control people would have been very easy.
https://litteraltruth.wordpress.com/2021/12/19/romans-131-7-and-1-peter-213-18-authoritarian-inserts/
Don’t put words in my mouth. Apparently you didn’t read the complete post or make any effort to understand the ideas being explained. So NO I’m not saying in essence or in any way shape or form that “Good” mind controllers are ordained by God. Oh, and anyone who lets anyone control their minds is at fault. How can it be the "mind controllers" fault? Being ignorant is dangerous.
My apologies for not being more clear and concise. I’m nitpicking of course, but all words have definitions, and it matters which words we use to describe our views.
Since the meaning of government is govern (control) ment (the mind), your declaratory statement (in the seven truths) of “good government is ordained of God” is contradictory at best. So mind control is good and ordained of God? I don’t think so. Better to interpret exousia always as authority, imo. Does that help?
I agree with many of your ideas presented here, just have suspect opinions about the legitimacy of those passages esp when they have led to the slaughter of so many people. God is not the author of confusion, and could’ve easily given updates and corrections along the way when people and ruling authorities misused this passage.
Nit picking is a good phrase for what you are doing. How many people on the planet would even come close to what you just came up with? Sorry, but I’m not into deep dives to the root of word meanings. Where to you get that government means to control the mind? The original Greek? Sanscript? Talk about nit picking, you aren’t kidding.
Prob was on my mind due to recently having similar conversation with a friend of mine regarding the negative etymology of the word anarchy. Governments do their job best in controlling the masses via controlling the definition of words.
Of course they make sure the common usage of anarchy has negative connotations of chaos/out of control. My friend’s 1828 Noah Webster dictionary definition was no different.
“ “Anytime the state actors decide to control language in their favor, they are intending to steer mass opinion, and contradiction, hypocrisy, and control are the prevailing result. This has never been more apparent than with the term Anarchy, which is the absolute antithesis of state tyranny.
Anarchy simply means without rule or without rulers; in other words, people working, living, trading, communicating, traveling, and surviving peacefully without government masters and government rule. This is the only state of being that can bring about absolute freedom of the individual. The completely bastardized and fraudulent meaning that has been effectively changed, promoted, and propagandized by the state, its institutions, its dictionaries, and its media today concerning the word “anarchy,’ has had the effect thorough indoctrination and brainwashing, of appearing to the lowly ‘public’ as the exact opposite of its true meaning. This purposely induced mindset was planned and done for specific reasons, as honest and legitimate anarchists, are the enemy of state power, and therefore considered dangerous; not to the people, but to those wishing to manipulate and control the people. These are the ruling class, their politicians, their enforcers, and all government in general. These are the true and evil enemies of humanity and freedom.” Gary Barnett
Of course, the state educated Phd (piled high deep sh!t) will adamantly deny “ment”, “mentis”, “mental” suffixes to govern have nothing to do with the mind.
So, it is our job to educated those who are convinced that anarchy is the synonym of chaos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRDfP4SBl0Q
Clear? Like mud. I just looked up on Miriam Webster the commonly understood meanings of "government" and there is NO mention of it meaning to control the mind. Where did you come up with this claim from?
Here:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/government
Even the entomology doesn't come close to what you are claiming. And since we live in 2024 and not 2000 BC, I'd have to say, that the COMMONLY understood definition will have to suffice. So nit pick away. What is your suggestion? Mankind is a social being and some sort of "government" will most always be around. We can't have maniacs running around raping old ladies with no recourse. What would you use for recourse? What if there was a group of old ladies somewhere that didn't like someone so they all got together and claimed so and so raped them? How far down this rabbit hole do you want to go? Nit picking isn't the phrase to use. One other thing..."exousia". How would you use that word in today's modern English? Exousia is an Ancient Greek word used in the New Testament to express various kinds of authority, such as Jesus' power to forgive sins, I guess I missed it. What is the chapter and verse? I read ENGLISH not Greek.
35- For I am set a man at variance against his father, and daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. I've been privy to this in my very own family. My father and mother were dead set against my view of "government". One of my son's has "cancelled" me because his live in cougar has him convinced that I'm evil because of my view of "government". She had the audacity to claim I was being selfish by refusing to take the vaccine and wear a mask and yet she wouldn't spend five minutes of her time researching WHY I refused to do either of those. I've been to many a church that rejected my actual BIBLICAL view of government rather than accept their convoluted view of kiss the government agents ass. As for Peace on Earth? I guess we will have it when the psychopaths are no longer the "leaders" and "rulers" of the people.
One thing that cracks me up about typical Churchianity people is their wait for Jesus. I see it way differently. I read HIS word, they become part of ME making me a disciple of HIM. It's THE WORD made flesh. We are the embodiment of his "return". Does that mean we are prefect? Hell no, the flesh I was born with is at constant war with the spirit that the word has impregnated me with. I can't hardly discuss it with my wife due to my human failings. Many that I've talked to just don't get it!
This song written by Don Francisco explains it in a very interesting way. My spirit witnesses to this song. I met Don once and asked him where he came up with the lyrics...His answer was...I HAD A VISION. I want to share this with you Toby. My youngest grandson has been blessed with that "nickname." He is Tobias Ryder Reynolds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPHEXuPFPio