I support almost everything I see come from you... this I cannot.
This idea that Europeans are the true Jews is just another abridgement to a story of how Abraham and his children conquered the world. All the tentacles of that central theme are equally fraudulent. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all fraudulent to an extreme degree, stealing from pagan cultures, changing the stories to fit their ends and calling their version holy while lambasting those who deny the validity of those stolen histories and mythologies.
This Abrahamic religion is foreign to Europeans, and everyone else on the planet... it only applies to its sponsors, those who gave shape tonit over the course of thousand of years, shoving it down the throats of other nations and people's by force, coercion, manipulation, war and torture.
Gnostic Christianity and mystic Christianity I can live with, as these explore a deeper relationship directly with God, but the biblical story is fraudulent garbage.
Creator comes to every person and nation in the guise suited to their nature. Christianity, just like Judaism and Islam, are that which is suited to a very small.and specific group, which doesn't even exist anymore in any significance genetically speaking. They have mostly disappeared.
So...
No Europeans are not the new Jews.
All Abrahamic Religion was and is a control mechanism of an ancient cult
Gnosticism and mysticism can be true, but can easily become twisted into the same weird shit as the mainline Abrahamic poison.
God is a reflection of unique peoples and lands and appears in shapes specific to those peoples.
Abraham's stories are almost entirely stolen from pagan histories far older.
PIE no longer has scientific validity. Europeans, especially Nordics/Britons etc did not migrate from Mesopotamian or Mediterranean areas.
Do the math! What you are doing is discounting the Bible. If you don't believe it and the passages that have been put up to substantiate the idea, I have no control over that. All I can do is submit my effort to answer a question that I had. And then just like that the answer started getting me from every angle. As if something was reading my mind and then placing the answers out of no where for me to discern. I can't call it a coincidence. It doesn't work for me. Thank you for reading and your comments.
Yes, it's called "inspiration" a gift those we today revere as prophets had or developed. The "more sure word of prophesy" meant to speak or understand what is written with and from the same Source as the ones called prophets wrote down.
2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
That is what one must seek to understand the true meaning, that same Spirit (The Holy "Ghost") as it is written here.
Same question of why britons didn't reach 1.5 billion or more, considering there were more britons to start with at same time period.
It is because of the innumerable events and circumstances that cull populations throughout history.
Britons had to face winters of incredible severity that would restrict the population from growing so they could preserve their resources. Not all the time would this be severe, but at times it would.
The jews faced destruction on 70 AD, and were scattered, but there were only around 100 unique famoly bloodlines after that culling. They were utterly fractured and decimated.
These and more events are the reas9ns for which populations do not grow. Look at the Egyptians, the jrws killed the first born sons, another example of some shit happening that destroys an entire generation, flipping the math on its head.
These aren't all that rare of occurrences.
Also, for the vast majority of our known history small groups were almost mandatory, as people did not have the technology or motivation for building large city's and civilizations.
The tribes of the world remained contained within certain population size boundaries as a natural.balance.with the earth.
Fertility rates change with environment.
Total global population eat. 10-20 million in 3000 BC, compared to today ~8 billion = population multiplied by 570 times or .2%/year, accounting for modern era population explosion.
Most of pre-modern growth was <.1%/year.
If you have let's say 12 major culling events over 5000 years... and that's being extremely generous.... Sickness and war have been way way way more prevalent globally. 1 event/300 years affecting 10% of the population.
Premodern era:
15 million start (3000 BC), .08% growth rate, 12 events/4700 years, 300 years apart, affecting 10%
= 92 years recovery between culls
= population multiplied 40× over 4700 years
= 600 million (about where we were just before modern era)
*10,000 BC - 1700 AD was averaged at .04% growth
Modern Era:
600 million start, .83% growth rate (actual), ~5% cull/150 years, 325 years total (actual, generalized)
= 5-7 years recovery after cull event (far less actually, because we generalized, so each cull is smaller, and has much faster recovery per growth rate)
=population multiplied 13.3× over 325 years
= 8 billion
Now applying this to the Jews.
1700 BC enter Egypt as 70 apiru (rootless wanderers)
70 start, ..8% growth, 3400 premodern years, 325 modern years
=14,000 people today
So, because we know that's inaccurate let's expand the numbers:
We know 70 became 2-4 million in 300 years, implying a doubling every 27 years (at 2 million), and a growth rate of 2.6-3.4% (which is higher than modern sustainability despite incredibly decreased rates of birthing mortality for mothers and babies)... the question changes by necessity to...
"How fast can the set of people who have at least one ancestor from those 70 grow inside a much larger, slowly growing host population", as these are not only inbreeding but outbreeding.
If we suppose the children of the 70 all breed out, into the Egyptian population of roughly 3.5 million, within 20 generations (16 year gen, 340 years)) a majority of host population will have the 70 as ancestors.
Thus, a Jew can be a Jew so long as mother is, and Jrws can sell daughters to Egyptians and whoever else, or send daughters as agents/vectors of this very effective into marriages with non Jews, making their children Jewish despite the father being a goy.
Over time, the population increase of those representing themselves as Jewish may be vast, while actual bloodline of Jewish ancestry is almost imperceptibly thin.
Thus in the course of millenia, the Jews can infiltrate populations by marriages, clai. Children are Jewish by such, or the children may be considered goy and not counted. Add to this the extremely regular culls of these "Jews" and you can see a serious population fluctuation that cannot be determined simply by standard growth rates, like other populations can.
70 AD was a major culling, in which millions became thousands and were dispersed, making population have to start over again.
So now we have .08% average growth again, at thousands starting at 70AD, and reaching supposedly 15 million by 1900, and staying roughly there for next 125 years.
None of this makes any sense whatsoever except that Jews do not have an honest measuring system of their popualtion,because what it is to be a jew has not been the same since 1700 BC, when they entered Egypt and began outbreeding as a state within a state.
I hope this is closer to an answer, to your point.
Where did you copy this “information” from? You are overlooking the multitude of Biblical references that verify the “theory” that I am putting forward. Is God a LIAR? Just curious if you think so. Because if there are verses attributed to His dealing with Israel that contradict your belief, I’d go with the verses.
Jeremiah 31:31-33 alone proves that either the Celto-Saxons comprise Israel, or Yahweh has not been true to His Word. Because Yahweh is always true to His Word (Numbers 23:19), He has made the New Covenant with Israelites. On a map, draw circles around the land masses in which true Christianity has flourished for the past two millennia, and your circles will encompass those nations primarily composed of Celto-Saxons. COINCIDENCE???
Bible is not a factual documentation of history. It was written by historians after the fact, curated over thousands of years by Jewish/Roman, and other players with ulterior motives... the Bible does.not stand as evidence if itself, nor of the time in which it refers to, as it was not written by people of that time, bit of centuries later.
I just spent time doing that math to respond to you.
Please try to not be insulting. I respect your work. This may be the first disagreement I've had with it, and I'd rather keep this academic, not personal.
Some of your comments are antithetical to my beliefs. I believe the Bible DOES stand as evidence of itself. That is a point we have to agree to disagree on. I try to be open minded, but just so open minded. I have to disagree with the way Pastor Weiland wants us all under the old covenant and if you violate commandments be put to death? That’s craziness. No less crazy than the Muslims with killing “infidels”. I would say we agree on WAY more that we disagree on Liberty. We would be friends and sit at the same table together if you lived close enough. I’m pretty easy to get along with…to a degree!
By “inspired” people Marten. There does seem to be a lot to that claim. Too many coincidences. Go check out “Sealed by the King” on Youtube and tell me.
Doesn't the Khazarian conversion in -700-800 AD address the otherwise ridiculous claim of wildly successful population growth (in context of a supposed "suffering" of being unwanted, suppressed, etc which is a separate silly topic entirely). Elhaik 2014 addresses this, then in 2017 addressed the silly genetic claims more generally; both papers are on his website.
First off the use of the word "Jews" is in error. The Europeans weren't the "new Jews". They were the "lost sheep" and as for all of your other claims, how do you determine their validity? BY FAITH. Because you weren't there so you read something someone claims and you choose to believe it by faith. Which is fine with me. I just don't choose to believe the same as you do without me compromising MY faith in what I 'believe" in.
If I can read 10,000 accounts of the same event from people who had no relation and contact to each other, but nonetheless were present at the time and place than it is beyond any doubt that it occurred.
If zero people who express that something happened to be present at the time and place, it is invalidated.
Judah was only one tribe out of 12 (+ one for the descendants of Ephraim younger son of Joseph of Egypt who was numbered among them) and of those who claim to be of the tribe of Judah (of direct Jewish descent) they are heavily diluted with Khazarian converts with no direct line of literal descent from Israel (Jacob) but had adopted a form of Judaism ( much of it contaminated with Satanism) for political reasons. An inspired patriarch gave me a blessing wherein he stated I was of the line of Ephraim as are many Americans who came from the British Isles and Western France. Cleon Skousen claims that the line of the escaping 10 tribes can be traced across from the ancient kingdoms where they were exiled all across northern Europe following their grave markers and middens. They have indeed become many great nations as of now.
we KJV only 1 Cor 15 1-4 bible believers are living in the CHURCH age of Grace
we are under the law of FAITH in the shed blood of Lord Jesus Christ
Are we 1) in the jewish age of prophecy 2) under the law of the 10 commandments and 3)needing priests and 4) sacrifices like the jews?
No. My living victorious King of Kings, Lord Jesus Christ was the ultimate sacrifice and completed the defeat against Satan and Death. In this dispensation there is no difference between jew and gentile nor is there isreal right now, not even the fake one in the middle east is of the Prime Creator. There is no prophecy now. Signs and wonders are for whom? The jews. Gentiles walk by FAITH.
Bible believers in this dispensation are the Bride of Lord Jesus Christ.
Authentic Biblical Israel, and the Herbrews that are to come, after the Rapture (as it seems to me) is the bride of the Prime Creator, far as I comprehend.
We each have our roles to play and some behavioral similarities, being fallen humans in a fallen realm. Yet we KJV only bible believers are not the jews/isrealites.
the gospel By which also ye are saved, [believe that] Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; he was buried, & that he rose again the 3rd day according to the scriptures: 1 Cor 15:1-4;
[Jesus] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins ..., through the forbearance of God; Romans Chapter 3:25
The “age of mystery”. Yeah, Father hid it all from us and made it so complicated that it becomes a mystery. What is a mystery to me is how people like you can convolute the evidence into your comment. Read the whole article and then comment instead of reading the first two sentences and coming to your totally incorrect result you call a “mystery”. Give me a break.
I support almost everything I see come from you... this I cannot.
This idea that Europeans are the true Jews is just another abridgement to a story of how Abraham and his children conquered the world. All the tentacles of that central theme are equally fraudulent. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all fraudulent to an extreme degree, stealing from pagan cultures, changing the stories to fit their ends and calling their version holy while lambasting those who deny the validity of those stolen histories and mythologies.
This Abrahamic religion is foreign to Europeans, and everyone else on the planet... it only applies to its sponsors, those who gave shape tonit over the course of thousand of years, shoving it down the throats of other nations and people's by force, coercion, manipulation, war and torture.
Gnostic Christianity and mystic Christianity I can live with, as these explore a deeper relationship directly with God, but the biblical story is fraudulent garbage.
Creator comes to every person and nation in the guise suited to their nature. Christianity, just like Judaism and Islam, are that which is suited to a very small.and specific group, which doesn't even exist anymore in any significance genetically speaking. They have mostly disappeared.
So...
No Europeans are not the new Jews.
All Abrahamic Religion was and is a control mechanism of an ancient cult
Gnosticism and mysticism can be true, but can easily become twisted into the same weird shit as the mainline Abrahamic poison.
God is a reflection of unique peoples and lands and appears in shapes specific to those peoples.
Abraham's stories are almost entirely stolen from pagan histories far older.
PIE no longer has scientific validity. Europeans, especially Nordics/Britons etc did not migrate from Mesopotamian or Mediterranean areas.
Anyway...
Thanks for you vigilance.
Do the math! What you are doing is discounting the Bible. If you don't believe it and the passages that have been put up to substantiate the idea, I have no control over that. All I can do is submit my effort to answer a question that I had. And then just like that the answer started getting me from every angle. As if something was reading my mind and then placing the answers out of no where for me to discern. I can't call it a coincidence. It doesn't work for me. Thank you for reading and your comments.
Yes, it's called "inspiration" a gift those we today revere as prophets had or developed. The "more sure word of prophesy" meant to speak or understand what is written with and from the same Source as the ones called prophets wrote down.
2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
That is what one must seek to understand the true meaning, that same Spirit (The Holy "Ghost") as it is written here.
I hear you.
The math is the same for all nations.
Since I brought up protons, ill continue there.
Same question of why britons didn't reach 1.5 billion or more, considering there were more britons to start with at same time period.
It is because of the innumerable events and circumstances that cull populations throughout history.
Britons had to face winters of incredible severity that would restrict the population from growing so they could preserve their resources. Not all the time would this be severe, but at times it would.
The jews faced destruction on 70 AD, and were scattered, but there were only around 100 unique famoly bloodlines after that culling. They were utterly fractured and decimated.
These and more events are the reas9ns for which populations do not grow. Look at the Egyptians, the jrws killed the first born sons, another example of some shit happening that destroys an entire generation, flipping the math on its head.
These aren't all that rare of occurrences.
Also, for the vast majority of our known history small groups were almost mandatory, as people did not have the technology or motivation for building large city's and civilizations.
The tribes of the world remained contained within certain population size boundaries as a natural.balance.with the earth.
Fertility rates change with environment.
Total global population eat. 10-20 million in 3000 BC, compared to today ~8 billion = population multiplied by 570 times or .2%/year, accounting for modern era population explosion.
Most of pre-modern growth was <.1%/year.
If you have let's say 12 major culling events over 5000 years... and that's being extremely generous.... Sickness and war have been way way way more prevalent globally. 1 event/300 years affecting 10% of the population.
Premodern era:
15 million start (3000 BC), .08% growth rate, 12 events/4700 years, 300 years apart, affecting 10%
= 92 years recovery between culls
= population multiplied 40× over 4700 years
= 600 million (about where we were just before modern era)
*10,000 BC - 1700 AD was averaged at .04% growth
Modern Era:
600 million start, .83% growth rate (actual), ~5% cull/150 years, 325 years total (actual, generalized)
= 5-7 years recovery after cull event (far less actually, because we generalized, so each cull is smaller, and has much faster recovery per growth rate)
=population multiplied 13.3× over 325 years
= 8 billion
Now applying this to the Jews.
1700 BC enter Egypt as 70 apiru (rootless wanderers)
70 start, ..8% growth, 3400 premodern years, 325 modern years
=14,000 people today
So, because we know that's inaccurate let's expand the numbers:
We know 70 became 2-4 million in 300 years, implying a doubling every 27 years (at 2 million), and a growth rate of 2.6-3.4% (which is higher than modern sustainability despite incredibly decreased rates of birthing mortality for mothers and babies)... the question changes by necessity to...
"How fast can the set of people who have at least one ancestor from those 70 grow inside a much larger, slowly growing host population", as these are not only inbreeding but outbreeding.
If we suppose the children of the 70 all breed out, into the Egyptian population of roughly 3.5 million, within 20 generations (16 year gen, 340 years)) a majority of host population will have the 70 as ancestors.
Thus, a Jew can be a Jew so long as mother is, and Jrws can sell daughters to Egyptians and whoever else, or send daughters as agents/vectors of this very effective into marriages with non Jews, making their children Jewish despite the father being a goy.
Over time, the population increase of those representing themselves as Jewish may be vast, while actual bloodline of Jewish ancestry is almost imperceptibly thin.
Thus in the course of millenia, the Jews can infiltrate populations by marriages, clai. Children are Jewish by such, or the children may be considered goy and not counted. Add to this the extremely regular culls of these "Jews" and you can see a serious population fluctuation that cannot be determined simply by standard growth rates, like other populations can.
70 AD was a major culling, in which millions became thousands and were dispersed, making population have to start over again.
So now we have .08% average growth again, at thousands starting at 70AD, and reaching supposedly 15 million by 1900, and staying roughly there for next 125 years.
None of this makes any sense whatsoever except that Jews do not have an honest measuring system of their popualtion,because what it is to be a jew has not been the same since 1700 BC, when they entered Egypt and began outbreeding as a state within a state.
I hope this is closer to an answer, to your point.
Where did you copy this “information” from? You are overlooking the multitude of Biblical references that verify the “theory” that I am putting forward. Is God a LIAR? Just curious if you think so. Because if there are verses attributed to His dealing with Israel that contradict your belief, I’d go with the verses.
Jeremiah 31:31-33 alone proves that either the Celto-Saxons comprise Israel, or Yahweh has not been true to His Word. Because Yahweh is always true to His Word (Numbers 23:19), He has made the New Covenant with Israelites. On a map, draw circles around the land masses in which true Christianity has flourished for the past two millennia, and your circles will encompass those nations primarily composed of Celto-Saxons. COINCIDENCE???
Bible is not a factual documentation of history. It was written by historians after the fact, curated over thousands of years by Jewish/Roman, and other players with ulterior motives... the Bible does.not stand as evidence if itself, nor of the time in which it refers to, as it was not written by people of that time, bit of centuries later.
Didn't copy, just look at all.my fucking typos.
I just spent time doing that math to respond to you.
Please try to not be insulting. I respect your work. This may be the first disagreement I've had with it, and I'd rather keep this academic, not personal.
Some of your comments are antithetical to my beliefs. I believe the Bible DOES stand as evidence of itself. That is a point we have to agree to disagree on. I try to be open minded, but just so open minded. I have to disagree with the way Pastor Weiland wants us all under the old covenant and if you violate commandments be put to death? That’s craziness. No less crazy than the Muslims with killing “infidels”. I would say we agree on WAY more that we disagree on Liberty. We would be friends and sit at the same table together if you lived close enough. I’m pretty easy to get along with…to a degree!
Yes more agreement than not.
Faith is unbroachable by facts and figures. Faith proves itself by the experience of it. It does not require anything but it's own experience.
In this, I do understand your position. I just don't agree with it.
But i do agree with Faith itself.
Hear ya again, the Holy Bible is just a book writing by ??????And for me it is irrelevant !!!!!!
By “inspired” people Marten. There does seem to be a lot to that claim. Too many coincidences. Go check out “Sealed by the King” on Youtube and tell me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UudIDz5AghU
Doesn't the Khazarian conversion in -700-800 AD address the otherwise ridiculous claim of wildly successful population growth (in context of a supposed "suffering" of being unwanted, suppressed, etc which is a separate silly topic entirely). Elhaik 2014 addresses this, then in 2017 addressed the silly genetic claims more generally; both papers are on his website.
First off the use of the word "Jews" is in error. The Europeans weren't the "new Jews". They were the "lost sheep" and as for all of your other claims, how do you determine their validity? BY FAITH. Because you weren't there so you read something someone claims and you choose to believe it by faith. Which is fine with me. I just don't choose to believe the same as you do without me compromising MY faith in what I 'believe" in.
Different levels of plausability exist.
If I can read 10,000 accounts of the same event from people who had no relation and contact to each other, but nonetheless were present at the time and place than it is beyond any doubt that it occurred.
If zero people who express that something happened to be present at the time and place, it is invalidated.
Hear ya, spot-on, Does Mauro Biglino "The naked Bible" sounds a bell to anyone...BTW
Judah was only one tribe out of 12 (+ one for the descendants of Ephraim younger son of Joseph of Egypt who was numbered among them) and of those who claim to be of the tribe of Judah (of direct Jewish descent) they are heavily diluted with Khazarian converts with no direct line of literal descent from Israel (Jacob) but had adopted a form of Judaism ( much of it contaminated with Satanism) for political reasons. An inspired patriarch gave me a blessing wherein he stated I was of the line of Ephraim as are many Americans who came from the British Isles and Western France. Cleon Skousen claims that the line of the escaping 10 tribes can be traced across from the ancient kingdoms where they were exiled all across northern Europe following their grave markers and middens. They have indeed become many great nations as of now.
we are in the age of mystery
we KJV only 1 Cor 15 1-4 bible believers are living in the CHURCH age of Grace
we are under the law of FAITH in the shed blood of Lord Jesus Christ
Are we 1) in the jewish age of prophecy 2) under the law of the 10 commandments and 3)needing priests and 4) sacrifices like the jews?
No. My living victorious King of Kings, Lord Jesus Christ was the ultimate sacrifice and completed the defeat against Satan and Death. In this dispensation there is no difference between jew and gentile nor is there isreal right now, not even the fake one in the middle east is of the Prime Creator. There is no prophecy now. Signs and wonders are for whom? The jews. Gentiles walk by FAITH.
Bible believers in this dispensation are the Bride of Lord Jesus Christ.
Authentic Biblical Israel, and the Herbrews that are to come, after the Rapture (as it seems to me) is the bride of the Prime Creator, far as I comprehend.
We each have our roles to play and some behavioral similarities, being fallen humans in a fallen realm. Yet we KJV only bible believers are not the jews/isrealites.
the gospel By which also ye are saved, [believe that] Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; he was buried, & that he rose again the 3rd day according to the scriptures: 1 Cor 15:1-4;
[Jesus] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins ..., through the forbearance of God; Romans Chapter 3:25
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The “age of mystery”. Yeah, Father hid it all from us and made it so complicated that it becomes a mystery. What is a mystery to me is how people like you can convolute the evidence into your comment. Read the whole article and then comment instead of reading the first two sentences and coming to your totally incorrect result you call a “mystery”. Give me a break.