So for someone to take words attributed to Lincoln out of context is not fake history? Would you like me to get some of Lincoln's obviously racist quotes together to help pop your bubble of worship of him? How about we look at the FACT that the "emancipation proclamation" was aimed only at the Southern states and did not free or attempt to free slaves in the north. Lincoln was our first dictatorial president with some of the garbage he pulled. I just wish Booth had gotten to him a little earlier and who knows where things might be today.
At the fourth Lincoln-Douglas debate, held in Charleston, South Carolina, the “Great Emancipator” began with the following
“While I was at the hotel to-day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing a perfect equality between the negroes and white people. [Great Laughter.] While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. [Cheers and laughter.] My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white men. … I will also add to the remarks I have made (for I am not going to enter at large upon this subject,) that I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it, [laughter] but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, [roars of laughter] I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes. [Continued laughter and applause.]”
No, that part is not fake history. Those are Lincoln's words in context. "My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes."
My point is that you have the history of the American Civil War wrong. Slavery is not Freedom. It was a Civil War. CSA vs. USA. The Confederates, prepared for a year before they attacked the USA. Then they bombed American soldiers who were stationed in the United States fort... Fort Sumter for 36 hours, stole the gold from New Orleans, weaponized the South, all in order to keep expand slavery to support the British Empire Monarchy.
Understanding Lincoln is important for anyone who wants to be left alone. That is who he was.
In Lincoln’s day, people were fearful of strangers. They lived in the woods. There were few lights in the cabins. Wild animals, or people who would sneak around after dark were frightening … people are naturally scared of the dark. So, yes, it is an understandable fact that Abraham Lincoln was a racist just like everyone else in his day. Life was short for a lot of people in his time. Some strangers came to steal, kill, & rape and call that liberty. That is what criminals do today. That is what liberty means to some people. Tyranny is liberty… for them. Lincoln said that.
Slave masters are like that, and so are empire builders like Genghis Khan who conquered the world in his day by butchering, raping, and taking their stuff. If someone objected, he killed them and their cousins. Go along with him and he might let you live, as long as you obeyed. Human rights, other than his own, did not mean anything to him. I call that tyranny the Great Kaan called it Liberty. Liberty for him. The King of the world. His world. GreatKaan.com
Southern slave owners held basically the same philosophy. Master/Slave economics. Lincoln preached against it. Lincoln taught sovereign economics. Lincoln knew the constitution was designed to end slavery, eventually, as long as it was not allowed to expand which is exactly what is written in Article IV of the Confederate Constitution… the expansion of slavery. Lincoln didn’t set out to end slavery by using force, and he didn’t use force to end slavery. The Emancipation Proclamation didn’t have the use of force behind it, and ending slavery in Kentucky, Missouri, along with the other slave states who joined Lincoln’s effort to keep the United States in tact would have required the use of force.
The master/slave economy was preached from the Gospel.
“With us, all of the white race, however high or low, rich or poor, are equal in the eye of the law. Not so with the negro. Subordination is his place. He, by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system.” - Alexander H. Stephens
Yet, Abraham Lincoln was against SLAVERY because he was born into virtual slavery when he was young. Abe worked hard chopping down trees for free day after day, so he knew first hand what slavery felt like. That’s what Lincoln was about. Freedom for All.
Well since the war wasn't about slavery, but rather taxes and the end result of the war with the unlawfully added 14th Amendment (Southern states weren't allowed to vote on it) it simply made us ALL slaves Brother! So enjoy your chains! If you don't see and believe that you are a SLAVE today...all I can say is this: None are more hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free...~Von Goethe
This is why education trumps indoctrination. People today can not comprehend the written word. You read "Lew Rockwell" and don't even realize that he keeps you fooled with lies. Murray N. Rothbard is a known liar. I called him out on it. His "Just War" specifically defends the enslavement of men, but you believe it anyway. The Mises Institute still defends your enslavement and you don't even realize it.
Livelong warmonger, the President of the Southern Confederacy, Jefferson Davis said it was about slavery in all his writings before the Civil War. Vice President Alexander H. Stephens said the Confederacy was founded on the enslavement of people.
“Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us.” - Alexander H. Stephens - March 21, 1861 just 10 days after the Confederate Constitution was ratified by your slave owners.
The Confederate Constitution was written to enslave people if you are literate enough to read, and comprehend, the words, you would know that.
Confederate Constitution
ARTICLE IV
- Perpetual Slavery:
Sec. 2. (I) The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired.
- No where to hide from the slave masters:
(3) No slave or other person held to service or labor in any State or Territory of the Confederate States, under the laws thereof, escaping or lawfully carried into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor; but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such slave belongs,. or to whom such service or labor may be due.
- Expansion of Slavery:
Sec. 3. (I) Other States may be admitted into this Confederacy by a vote of two-thirds of the whole House of Representatives and two-thirds of the Senate, the Senate voting by States; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other State, nor any State be formed by the junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned, as well as of the Congress.
- Empire of Slaves:
(3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.
I know I am a slave sir. I hate it. I am enslaved because instead of being able to live under the laws of the land given to us by our founding father's ... The Constitution of the United States of America, (the Constitution Lincoln took an oath to defend and he did defend until they killed him) against the slave master's Confederate Constitution (which enslaves everyone).
Yes, you argue for enslavement of the South and I argue for the liberty, peace and prosperity given to us by the Supreme Law of the Land in Article VI.
The Confederates said they would destroy freedom. And they did. You support them.
I hate the slavery that you defend, sir. I simply wished you hated it as much as I and opened your eyes to who actually promotes slavery and who defends freedom. Slave owners own you.
This certainly is not a true statement. The American Civil War was waged by the Confederate States of America against the United States of America on April 12, 1861 by bombing American soldiers in Fort Sumter while they were flying an American flag. That is by definition a civil war.
“The South did not instigate a rebellion.”
This isn’t true either. Johnny Reb was a proud Southern rebel fighting to keep their way of life in the South the master/slave economic system as described in the Confederate Constitution ratified March 11, 1861. Rebels rebelling is most certainly rebellion.
I don’t know who you are trying to fool but you can’t fool us. We think you may be down the wrong rabbit hole.
Whoever "us" is. You've read your sources, I've read mine. I believe the Kennedy Brothers with "the South Was Right" and "Jefferson Davis Was Right" do a fine job of convincing me what the "civil" war was all about and that it wasn't over slavery. As for the "attack" on Ft. Sumpter, you need to do a bit more research. It was a PROVOKED attack just like Pearl Harbor was against the Japanese. The problem I see is that so many of you want to "believe" that we are always the "good guys" when in reality "we" are typically the instigators of wars.
I've read his words. He was one psychopathic control freak that I can only wish a time machine could be invented to go back and shoot him the day he took office.
I thought you were smarter than that. The only reason anyone has ever heard of Abraham Lincoln is his anti-slavery stance for the world. Enjoy your enslavement.
So for someone to take words attributed to Lincoln out of context is not fake history? Would you like me to get some of Lincoln's obviously racist quotes together to help pop your bubble of worship of him? How about we look at the FACT that the "emancipation proclamation" was aimed only at the Southern states and did not free or attempt to free slaves in the north. Lincoln was our first dictatorial president with some of the garbage he pulled. I just wish Booth had gotten to him a little earlier and who knows where things might be today.
I this fake history too? From https://www.nps.gov/liho/learn/historyculture/debate4.htm
At the fourth Lincoln-Douglas debate, held in Charleston, South Carolina, the “Great Emancipator” began with the following
“While I was at the hotel to-day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing a perfect equality between the negroes and white people. [Great Laughter.] While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. [Cheers and laughter.] My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white men. … I will also add to the remarks I have made (for I am not going to enter at large upon this subject,) that I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it, [laughter] but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, [roars of laughter] I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes. [Continued laughter and applause.]”
No, that part is not fake history. Those are Lincoln's words in context. "My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes."
My point is that you have the history of the American Civil War wrong. Slavery is not Freedom. It was a Civil War. CSA vs. USA. The Confederates, prepared for a year before they attacked the USA. Then they bombed American soldiers who were stationed in the United States fort... Fort Sumter for 36 hours, stole the gold from New Orleans, weaponized the South, all in order to keep expand slavery to support the British Empire Monarchy.
Understanding Lincoln is important for anyone who wants to be left alone. That is who he was.
In Lincoln’s day, people were fearful of strangers. They lived in the woods. There were few lights in the cabins. Wild animals, or people who would sneak around after dark were frightening … people are naturally scared of the dark. So, yes, it is an understandable fact that Abraham Lincoln was a racist just like everyone else in his day. Life was short for a lot of people in his time. Some strangers came to steal, kill, & rape and call that liberty. That is what criminals do today. That is what liberty means to some people. Tyranny is liberty… for them. Lincoln said that.
Slave masters are like that, and so are empire builders like Genghis Khan who conquered the world in his day by butchering, raping, and taking their stuff. If someone objected, he killed them and their cousins. Go along with him and he might let you live, as long as you obeyed. Human rights, other than his own, did not mean anything to him. I call that tyranny the Great Kaan called it Liberty. Liberty for him. The King of the world. His world. GreatKaan.com
Southern slave owners held basically the same philosophy. Master/Slave economics. Lincoln preached against it. Lincoln taught sovereign economics. Lincoln knew the constitution was designed to end slavery, eventually, as long as it was not allowed to expand which is exactly what is written in Article IV of the Confederate Constitution… the expansion of slavery. Lincoln didn’t set out to end slavery by using force, and he didn’t use force to end slavery. The Emancipation Proclamation didn’t have the use of force behind it, and ending slavery in Kentucky, Missouri, along with the other slave states who joined Lincoln’s effort to keep the United States in tact would have required the use of force.
The master/slave economy was preached from the Gospel.
“With us, all of the white race, however high or low, rich or poor, are equal in the eye of the law. Not so with the negro. Subordination is his place. He, by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system.” - Alexander H. Stephens
Yet, Abraham Lincoln was against SLAVERY because he was born into virtual slavery when he was young. Abe worked hard chopping down trees for free day after day, so he knew first hand what slavery felt like. That’s what Lincoln was about. Freedom for All.
Well since the war wasn't about slavery, but rather taxes and the end result of the war with the unlawfully added 14th Amendment (Southern states weren't allowed to vote on it) it simply made us ALL slaves Brother! So enjoy your chains! If you don't see and believe that you are a SLAVE today...all I can say is this: None are more hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free...~Von Goethe
"the civil war wasn't about slavery"
This is why education trumps indoctrination. People today can not comprehend the written word. You read "Lew Rockwell" and don't even realize that he keeps you fooled with lies. Murray N. Rothbard is a known liar. I called him out on it. His "Just War" specifically defends the enslavement of men, but you believe it anyway. The Mises Institute still defends your enslavement and you don't even realize it.
Livelong warmonger, the President of the Southern Confederacy, Jefferson Davis said it was about slavery in all his writings before the Civil War. Vice President Alexander H. Stephens said the Confederacy was founded on the enslavement of people.
“Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us.” - Alexander H. Stephens - March 21, 1861 just 10 days after the Confederate Constitution was ratified by your slave owners.
The Confederate Constitution was written to enslave people if you are literate enough to read, and comprehend, the words, you would know that.
Confederate Constitution
ARTICLE IV
- Perpetual Slavery:
Sec. 2. (I) The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired.
- No where to hide from the slave masters:
(3) No slave or other person held to service or labor in any State or Territory of the Confederate States, under the laws thereof, escaping or lawfully carried into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor; but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such slave belongs,. or to whom such service or labor may be due.
- Expansion of Slavery:
Sec. 3. (I) Other States may be admitted into this Confederacy by a vote of two-thirds of the whole House of Representatives and two-thirds of the Senate, the Senate voting by States; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other State, nor any State be formed by the junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned, as well as of the Congress.
- Empire of Slaves:
(3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.
I know I am a slave sir. I hate it. I am enslaved because instead of being able to live under the laws of the land given to us by our founding father's ... The Constitution of the United States of America, (the Constitution Lincoln took an oath to defend and he did defend until they killed him) against the slave master's Confederate Constitution (which enslaves everyone).
Yes, you argue for enslavement of the South and I argue for the liberty, peace and prosperity given to us by the Supreme Law of the Land in Article VI.
The Confederates said they would destroy freedom. And they did. You support them.
I hate the slavery that you defend, sir. I simply wished you hated it as much as I and opened your eyes to who actually promotes slavery and who defends freedom. Slave owners own you.
“The term Civil War is a misnomer.”
This certainly is not a true statement. The American Civil War was waged by the Confederate States of America against the United States of America on April 12, 1861 by bombing American soldiers in Fort Sumter while they were flying an American flag. That is by definition a civil war.
“The South did not instigate a rebellion.”
This isn’t true either. Johnny Reb was a proud Southern rebel fighting to keep their way of life in the South the master/slave economic system as described in the Confederate Constitution ratified March 11, 1861. Rebels rebelling is most certainly rebellion.
I don’t know who you are trying to fool but you can’t fool us. We think you may be down the wrong rabbit hole.
http://npshistory.com/publications/fosu/decision.pdf
Whoever "us" is. You've read your sources, I've read mine. I believe the Kennedy Brothers with "the South Was Right" and "Jefferson Davis Was Right" do a fine job of convincing me what the "civil" war was all about and that it wasn't over slavery. As for the "attack" on Ft. Sumpter, you need to do a bit more research. It was a PROVOKED attack just like Pearl Harbor was against the Japanese. The problem I see is that so many of you want to "believe" that we are always the "good guys" when in reality "we" are typically the instigators of wars.
Fake history. If you want to know the truth about Abraham Lincoln, then you can read his words for yourself.
https://sovren.media/c/abraham-lincoln
I've read his words. He was one psychopathic control freak that I can only wish a time machine could be invented to go back and shoot him the day he took office.
I thought you were smarter than that. The only reason anyone has ever heard of Abraham Lincoln is his anti-slavery stance for the world. Enjoy your enslavement.
PS https://www.usnews.com/news/history/articles/2009/02/10/revoking-civil-liberties-lincolns-constitutional-dilemma
usnews... truth for dummies.