Doesn't Due Process Apply for People 1500 Miles Away From the US Mainland? What ever happened to "Innocent until PROVEN guilty?" What makes murdering people far away from our shores any different?
Moral outrage is easiest when it is selective. Questions about due process, executive power, and the use of force abroad are neither new nor unique to any one administration. Under President Obama, the United States conducted more than 500 drone strikes across multiple countries and dropped tens of thousands of bombs in conventional air campaigns, often under similar legal theories.
The more challenging task is not denouncing power in one instance, but applying consistent standards across cases and weighing imperfect alternatives rather than assuming non-action has no cost. Distinctions matter, especially when moral judgment outruns analytical rigor.
I agree, but this article wasn’t about Obama. If I were to put one up about his atrocities, it would be longer and in more depth. Yes, he has the BLOOD of MANY innocents on his hands because those 500 drone strikes NEVER just killed the so called enemy, but many in the area that were just “collateral” damage. Fact is, we as a nation are run by PSYCHOPATHS and as a world it is even that way. https://www.courageouslion.us/p/problem-psychopathic-control-freaks
You’re right, it wasn’t about Obama yet he needed to be included, if for nothing else… background. To portray the actions of this administration as an anomaly is journalistic malfeasance.
If an atomic bomb was detonated, Hiroshima would be referenced; if a President was assassinated, all assassinated Presidents would be part the body of knowledge in the article.
This is nothing more than an “hit” opinion piece which is historically delegated to the Editorial page.
Your OPINION Is noted. Telling ME what is "needed" from your perspective simply shows your inflated ego. Especially in light of the last sentence of your comment.
Actually George Washington did when he participated in murdering farmers that didn’t want their whiskey taxed. He just didn’t have drones at his disposal.
A true indicator regarding our status as a moral, ethical nation of law and justice or something a lot darker. This does not bode well for our nation or our reputation in the world. I wish to God that I could be proud of this country, but sanctioned crimes like these make it impossible.
My math is pretty good. If Jesus were to return again. Wouldn't that be three times? First time, he was born and lived a life until the age of 33. He was then murdered and rose from the dead, thus the Pentacost revival. That makes 2. when is this 2nd time 2nd time going to take place? Maybe the vs that establish His dwelling place currently being in the HEARTS of believers should be taken into consideration. Maybe those believers will rise up en masse and fit the He returns with 10,000s of His saints into He returns in 10,000's of HIMSELF. Can you imagine?
Originally, I meant it as a rhetorical question to stir up self-reflection (which applies to me, too). I was speaking figuratively and exercised my usual sarcastic humor by applying to where the world is today, but I like what you are saying.
Religious Jews don't accept Jesus, because they say that a Second Coming is not in the Torah (Old Testament). That, to my best knowledge, is a fact. Consequently, a Third (Fourth, etc.) is also possible.
Congress hasn't officially declared war since 1942, yet the US soldier has been roaming the Globe ever since, spreading "democracy," that is, ensuring the installation of private central banks. Venezuela is up next. Sorry, the images don't work, so here are the links to the articles that contain them:
What I say it is mentioned. It was WRONG. Period. There is a biblical understanding that DUE PROCESS is based on. By two or more witnesses let a matter be established. Obama not only killed those without due process but he MURDERED others in the area where they were when the drone strike took place. Just as when Trump MURDERED Qasem Soleimani. It makes as much sense as my next door neighbor buying a gun so I go shoot him because I think he “might” attack me.
The correct answer to the question posed in the article is there were zero innocent people killed on board the vessels running drugs destined for our shores.
You sound more like pearl clutching hypocrite in the left wing . You are not courageous and you ain’t no lion. I have no problem killing anyone that brings instruments of death to our shores especially those that enrich themselves to stay in power and cause death and grief to American families.
And you sound like quite the psychopathic piece of human SHIT that the article is show casing. Too bad we don’t live close enough that you could show me in person what a bad ass you think you are. I expect that you cheered when the church in Waco was burned down without due process too. And maybe thought it was keen that a 13 year old boy and his mother were murdered in Ruby Ridge Idaho, after all they posed such a threat to those you lick the boots of..
As I have said many times on substack, Most of the presidents of the 20th and 21st century have committed the types of heinous crimes that would warrant being locked up for life or in many cases executed publicly. This P.O.S would qualify!
I am sick to death of whining little girls fussing about the President's "War on Drugs" program. Nobody complained about Barry Soetoro killing US CITIZENS when he was retaliating for 9/11. Those Muslims only killed 3000 of us. These "fishermen" are killing us at the rate of 3,000 every 11 days! But the TDS is so strong in these crybabies they are wetting their diapers in their quest to harm our country!
Eventually they will run out of stupid mules, and boats. And eventually this nation won’t live In a drug induced stupor. And btw, have you heard about the other things Venezuela is involved in, regarding elections? We don’t need their oil, or any of the other stuff they have. But as far as being the one nation in South America that needs a complete stomping of their leaders and cartels, it would be that one.
Deuteronomy 17:7, which states, "The hands of the witnesses shall be the first in putting him to death, and after that, the hands of all the people. So you must purge the evil from among you".
The command to remove evil is also found in other passages, such as Deuteronomy 13:5, which instructs to "put away the evil from your midst" when someone leads others astray.
We (followers of Jesus) are to take down evil. As God's Cyrus, Trump is following God's orders. May the spirit of revelation give you eyes that see and ears that hear God's truth in Jesus Holy name Amen 🙏
BULL SHIT Debbie. Jesus doesn’t give orders to psychopaths to go out and murder people without some sort of due process. What are YOU doing about taking down the EVIL running this country? I bet you pay your fair share every April 15th so that it can be used by someone to murder an unborn baby. And here I thought you were following Jesus. Oh wait, I bet you are. But it’s just the half you like. The “Lamb of God” side. Why don’t you go get a job flying drones against people 1500 miles away that never harmed anyone and blow them up for Jesus, or Trump or whatever sick deity you’ve made up in your mind. I will willing watch my numbers go through the floor if the truth hurts that bad. Your scripture verses are taken WAY out of context and you’re not even understanding what they are saying. WHAT WINESSES in Deut 17:7 are you referring to when it comes to these incidents. And 1500 miles away ISN’T IN OUR MIDST. Due process is not in your vocabulary.
Well, if you are of the mindset of GUILTY until proven innocent, you’re right. Which is a convoluted immoral view of life itself. You’re CONvinced that a small boat with an outboard motor is a threat to the people of the US because of some cargo on it that is going to travel 1500 miles by sea to distribute said cargo within the US. That simply shows the lack of reason, logic and common sense you lack. Because “none” cannot possibly be a critically thought out answer as result of utilizing ANY of the those three attributes. Congratulations. You passed government school. .
And obviously you lack skills for posting comments…
So I will post this again for your consideration: Well, if you are of the mindset of GUILTY until proven innocent, you’re right. Which is a convoluted immoral view of life itself. You’re CONvinced that a small boat with an outboard motor is a threat to the people of the US because of some cargo on it that is going to travel 1500 miles by sea to distribute said cargo within the US. That simply shows the reason, logic and common sense you lack. Because “none” cannot possibly be a critically thought out answer as result of utilizing ANY of the those three attributes. Congratulations. You passed government school. .
Moral outrage is easiest when it is selective. Questions about due process, executive power, and the use of force abroad are neither new nor unique to any one administration. Under President Obama, the United States conducted more than 500 drone strikes across multiple countries and dropped tens of thousands of bombs in conventional air campaigns, often under similar legal theories.
The more challenging task is not denouncing power in one instance, but applying consistent standards across cases and weighing imperfect alternatives rather than assuming non-action has no cost. Distinctions matter, especially when moral judgment outruns analytical rigor.
I agree, but this article wasn’t about Obama. If I were to put one up about his atrocities, it would be longer and in more depth. Yes, he has the BLOOD of MANY innocents on his hands because those 500 drone strikes NEVER just killed the so called enemy, but many in the area that were just “collateral” damage. Fact is, we as a nation are run by PSYCHOPATHS and as a world it is even that way. https://www.courageouslion.us/p/problem-psychopathic-control-freaks
You’re right, it wasn’t about Obama yet he needed to be included, if for nothing else… background. To portray the actions of this administration as an anomaly is journalistic malfeasance.
If an atomic bomb was detonated, Hiroshima would be referenced; if a President was assassinated, all assassinated Presidents would be part the body of knowledge in the article.
This is nothing more than an “hit” opinion piece which is historically delegated to the Editorial page.
Your OPINION Is noted. Telling ME what is "needed" from your perspective simply shows your inflated ego. Especially in light of the last sentence of your comment.
I was in journalism unlike you.
Obama set the precedent.
Actually George Washington did when he participated in murdering farmers that didn’t want their whiskey taxed. He just didn’t have drones at his disposal.
A true indicator regarding our status as a moral, ethical nation of law and justice or something a lot darker. This does not bode well for our nation or our reputation in the world. I wish to God that I could be proud of this country, but sanctioned crimes like these make it impossible.
If the Second Coming had been here, is it possible that Christ turned around in disgust?
My math is pretty good. If Jesus were to return again. Wouldn't that be three times? First time, he was born and lived a life until the age of 33. He was then murdered and rose from the dead, thus the Pentacost revival. That makes 2. when is this 2nd time 2nd time going to take place? Maybe the vs that establish His dwelling place currently being in the HEARTS of believers should be taken into consideration. Maybe those believers will rise up en masse and fit the He returns with 10,000s of His saints into He returns in 10,000's of HIMSELF. Can you imagine?
Originally, I meant it as a rhetorical question to stir up self-reflection (which applies to me, too). I was speaking figuratively and exercised my usual sarcastic humor by applying to where the world is today, but I like what you are saying.
Religious Jews don't accept Jesus, because they say that a Second Coming is not in the Torah (Old Testament). That, to my best knowledge, is a fact. Consequently, a Third (Fourth, etc.) is also possible.
No, as the purpose of his "Second Coming" is to rid the world of wars.
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Congress hasn't officially declared war since 1942, yet the US soldier has been roaming the Globe ever since, spreading "democracy," that is, ensuring the installation of private central banks. Venezuela is up next. Sorry, the images don't work, so here are the links to the articles that contain them:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/probing-while-conditioning-people
The carnage is also domestic, indicating who control the government against the American People.
The globalist net still has a few holes, but it's closing in on everyone. What could I do, even if I knew who the murderers are?
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/runaway-governments-or-only-the-playing
The boat bombings and the subsequent public uproar also work for diverting Americans' attention that they are also being slaughtered...
Obama killed Americans in drone strikes. What say you about that?
What I say it is mentioned. It was WRONG. Period. There is a biblical understanding that DUE PROCESS is based on. By two or more witnesses let a matter be established. Obama not only killed those without due process but he MURDERED others in the area where they were when the drone strike took place. Just as when Trump MURDERED Qasem Soleimani. It makes as much sense as my next door neighbor buying a gun so I go shoot him because I think he “might” attack me.
The correct answer to the question posed in the article is there were zero innocent people killed on board the vessels running drugs destined for our shores.
I like when you write. You are getting a lot of comments on this post. Too bad most of them are idiots
You sound more like pearl clutching hypocrite in the left wing . You are not courageous and you ain’t no lion. I have no problem killing anyone that brings instruments of death to our shores especially those that enrich themselves to stay in power and cause death and grief to American families.
And you sound like quite the psychopathic piece of human SHIT that the article is show casing. Too bad we don’t live close enough that you could show me in person what a bad ass you think you are. I expect that you cheered when the church in Waco was burned down without due process too. And maybe thought it was keen that a 13 year old boy and his mother were murdered in Ruby Ridge Idaho, after all they posed such a threat to those you lick the boots of..
I apologize. Didn't realize you were retarded.
Projecting? There are idiots who WANT those "instruments" of death. And obviously DUE PROCESS aren't words in YOUR sick vocabulary.
Just read my long comment to the current article or about trolling here:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/how-can-you-id-trolls-and-ai
As I have said many times on substack, Most of the presidents of the 20th and 21st century have committed the types of heinous crimes that would warrant being locked up for life or in many cases executed publicly. This P.O.S would qualify!
😞🧐🙏
I am sick to death of whining little girls fussing about the President's "War on Drugs" program. Nobody complained about Barry Soetoro killing US CITIZENS when he was retaliating for 9/11. Those Muslims only killed 3000 of us. These "fishermen" are killing us at the rate of 3,000 every 11 days! But the TDS is so strong in these crybabies they are wetting their diapers in their quest to harm our country!
allegedly, got any proof 911 wasn't and inside/mossad job. Look who made million on those poor souls deaths.
Eventually they will run out of stupid mules, and boats. And eventually this nation won’t live In a drug induced stupor. And btw, have you heard about the other things Venezuela is involved in, regarding elections? We don’t need their oil, or any of the other stuff they have. But as far as being the one nation in South America that needs a complete stomping of their leaders and cartels, it would be that one.
Is our nation going to run out of true patriots first?
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/runaway-governments-or-only-the-playing
The boat bombings and the subsequent public uproar also work for diverting Americans' attention that they are also being slaughtered...
Deuteronomy 17:7, which states, "The hands of the witnesses shall be the first in putting him to death, and after that, the hands of all the people. So you must purge the evil from among you".
The command to remove evil is also found in other passages, such as Deuteronomy 13:5, which instructs to "put away the evil from your midst" when someone leads others astray.
We (followers of Jesus) are to take down evil. As God's Cyrus, Trump is following God's orders. May the spirit of revelation give you eyes that see and ears that hear God's truth in Jesus Holy name Amen 🙏
BULL SHIT Debbie. Jesus doesn’t give orders to psychopaths to go out and murder people without some sort of due process. What are YOU doing about taking down the EVIL running this country? I bet you pay your fair share every April 15th so that it can be used by someone to murder an unborn baby. And here I thought you were following Jesus. Oh wait, I bet you are. But it’s just the half you like. The “Lamb of God” side. Why don’t you go get a job flying drones against people 1500 miles away that never harmed anyone and blow them up for Jesus, or Trump or whatever sick deity you’ve made up in your mind. I will willing watch my numbers go through the floor if the truth hurts that bad. Your scripture verses are taken WAY out of context and you’re not even understanding what they are saying. WHAT WINESSES in Deut 17:7 are you referring to when it comes to these incidents. And 1500 miles away ISN’T IN OUR MIDST. Due process is not in your vocabulary.
Boats without flags-of-nationality are considered pirates under international law. It is open season on pirates 365 days/year.
None
Well, if you are of the mindset of GUILTY until proven innocent, you’re right. Which is a convoluted immoral view of life itself. You’re CONvinced that a small boat with an outboard motor is a threat to the people of the US because of some cargo on it that is going to travel 1500 miles by sea to distribute said cargo within the US. That simply shows the lack of reason, logic and common sense you lack. Because “none” cannot possibly be a critically thought out answer as result of utilizing ANY of the those three attributes. Congratulations. You passed government school. .
That's easy. NONE!!
And obviously you lack skills for posting comments…
So I will post this again for your consideration: Well, if you are of the mindset of GUILTY until proven innocent, you’re right. Which is a convoluted immoral view of life itself. You’re CONvinced that a small boat with an outboard motor is a threat to the people of the US because of some cargo on it that is going to travel 1500 miles by sea to distribute said cargo within the US. That simply shows the reason, logic and common sense you lack. Because “none” cannot possibly be a critically thought out answer as result of utilizing ANY of the those three attributes. Congratulations. You passed government school. .