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Hat Bailey's avatar

As is so often the case we find that what we are told and most people accept as fact is a pack of lies and deception. I believe in seeing people for who they are and what they are doing, and there are both good and bad among all groups. Yet there are groups that are subject to a long history of deception and harmful ideologies such as the self delusion of superiority and the dehumanizing of those outside of their group. It is time to awaken to the truth and all the misunderstandings of what is an "Israelite" a "Semite" and a "Jew." There is a reason the Kazarian converts were called the "Namestealers" in ancient times. They had no qualms about deceiving and scamming those who had the misfortune of traveling through their country. As is so often the case in this world that is a mirror they have historically reaped a lot of hatred and mistreatment that has come back at them. There are many of them that have broken free of their programming and become honest loving people which is why I don't believe in a blanket judgment and condemnation for all that call themselves Jews, but the true meaning and history of the political state of "Israel" is a very dark one and those who established and rule it today are among the most wicked and evil in the world in my view.

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Courageous Lion's avatar

Exactly. I’ve known many secular “Jews” in my life that were, or at least appeared to be pretty good people. They have their tribal quirks, but those are tolerable. I often did plumbing jobs for them in South Florida and would raise the price on my work just so that they could “Jew me down” to the amount I wanted in the first place. They thought they got a better deal, but they didn’t know I had already padded the job material prices to cover what I knew they would want to me to do it for less.

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Hat Bailey's avatar

Yes, that has been my experience also CL. I consider myself to be from the tribe of Ephraim and I believe that many of those in the Western world that some would call "gentiles" actually have more of the ancient bloodline of the ten "lost" tribes who migrated to the North countries and became many well known tribes such as the Celts, Sithians, Angles, as well as those who went by ship at the time of the "Exodus" and settled in Greece, France and Spain as well as other Mediterranean areas. To me though the real meaning of Israelite or "seed of Abraham" are those who as Jesus said, go the "works" of Abraham. God being no respecter of persons and in Christ it makes no difference to the Divine Source whether Jew, Gentile, neither male nor female, free of slave, all are considered one in Christ who live according to righteousness.

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Courageous Lion's avatar

No one can actually be a “gentile”. The word simply means nations. Gentile nations is like saying gentile gentile or nations nations.

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Hat Bailey's avatar

Correct, although I suspect you could consider yourself a "national" many people seem to do so.

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Ian M. Giatti's avatar

Here's the crux of the problem though: nobody wants to hear this truth.

Not Evangelicals, not Protestants, and certainly not pastors whose sole task is to keep the tithes coming.

It's a generational problem.

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Courageous Lion's avatar

I agree. It’s an issue that they don’t WANT to address because they would have to admit that their convoluted view of the word was wrong. They don’t want to address why men are leaving the church by the thousands every day either. Too much “Lamb of God” and not enough “Lion of Judah”. It’s way off balance. To be part of the body there has to be a balance. I walk in the door of so many fellowship of any denomination and immediately smell the estrogen in the air. I am currently, for who knows how long yet, involved with a local Baptist fellowship on the Choir. At our practice this past Wednesday they practices about 10 songs. I was able to sing two. I ask myself, where is the incentive? I’m a baritone and they songs the woman the runs the choir picked is all in a key that I can’t sing in and the only baritone there sounds like, I’m not sure of the word to describe, except BAD.

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Ian M. Giatti's avatar

"Estrogen" - perfect word.

We are living in the era of emasculated Evangelicalism.

And to a crowd whose sole aim is to keep their churches afloat, the Israel message is a surefire way to get people running for the exits.

But if the Father saw fit to allow Romanism to steward the Gospel for 1,500 years despite the Church's near-total bastardization of His Word, is it really inconceivable that He would now give that role to modern-day Evangelicals?

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Courageous Lion's avatar

Have you seen or heard of this book? I couldn't put it down and have bought 8 used ones to loan out, or loose, LOL! https://www.amazon.com/Why-Men-Hate-Going-Church/dp/078523215X

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Paving the Way's avatar

Thank you. Me too. I am worried about the Christians though.

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Paving the Way's avatar

What if all of the religion is a screenplay, written by power hungry sociopaths.

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Hat Bailey's avatar

That's the sad history of every spiritual movement to be co-opted and distorted to become a hierarchical control mechanism. Many people do manage to find a connection to true spirituality despite this among many of them, which is a miracle wherever it happens.

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Paving the Way's avatar

I am trying to do that, throwing my hat in the ring: https://livingagoodlifechurch.wordpress.com/.

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Hat Bailey's avatar

I like what I am reading there. Best wishes. I see this as a part of a new awakening for many.

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